World's most popular community & resource for hunting in Africa since 2007. 2. The toughest 50-round drum magazine for the MP5 on the market! Heres how each cartridge ranked. Rifle Recoil Table. F5MFG MP5 50 round drum mag . Mag. the .475 No. It is about as much gun as I care to shoot from the bench, however in the penultimate moment during a hunt, the recoil seems to vanish. Parent case: .378 Weatherby Magnum Case type: Belted, bottleneck. While Robert Ruark made the .416 Rigby famous in the hands of Harry Selby in his "Horn of the Hunter," it was the .404 Jeffery that did the lion's share of the work in the hands of numerous Game Departments across Africa. What follows is a short list of cartridges that have proved, over timesometimes a great deal of timethat they can put an instant end to the careers of vary large, very angry wildlife that is about to do you in. I shoot a custom 450 Alaskan on a Ruger number one frame. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. The 460 Weatherby Magnum case is made from a necked up.378 Weatherby Magnum case. While the "standard" calibers especially with modern bullets can handle 90 percent or more of the world's game, these cartridges are usually reserved for the big beasts. It does require a magnum-length action, but that's not a problem. Using a rimmed, 3 -inch straight-wall case, the .450 Nitro Express sent a 480-grain .458-inch diameter bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2,150 fps. He had an adverse encounter in Mozambique with a buffalo where he suffered some injuries. It is based on the . A .458 Winchester, which most people find very difficult to shoot, bequeaths only 60 foot-pounds. Nosler Ammunition, This ancient round was originally designed for black powder, and in that form, it goes back to the 1860s. The .458 Lott exists because one man, John Lott, almost met his death in the late 1950s on a wounded Cape buffalo's horns. The words, Dangerous Game, evoke a classic image: well-heeled hunters who scour Africas vastness for The Big Five. To others, it is a week spent in the rain to find a thousand pound brown bear amidst Kodiak Islands infamous, tangled alders, or a stand-off with an irate moose on a narrow trail carved into three-foot deep snow in Montana. He was kind enough to let a few of us youngsters have a go with them. The.460 Weatherby Magnum is intended to have headspace on its belt. I think the 375 or the 9.3 Mauser might just be the happy one gun place for the majority of people out there. That bullet passed through its paunch, took the top of the heart, and was recoverd under its jawbone. Either they are not popular or they duplicate at least one, or more, tested cartridges performance. This is, like the push from the other NE cartridges, a shove rather than a violent blow, albeit a very substantial shove. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. at 2700 f.p.s. Lott brooded on this for some time, and then began looking for a cartridge that would keep him out of the hospital. Best bet with the Jeff is load your own and keep velocity where it belongs: between 2100 and 2200 fps. The belted case takes up less room in the magazine, and is a bit more affordable than the Rigby variant, but no game animal would ever know the difference between the two. The .470 was an immediate success, and it remains the most popular of the Nitro Express cartridges. The result was that no rifle/round combination I know of has a better reputation than a .416 Rigby. Can use .458 Win ammo. The initial stigma of the underpowered ammo never really left the .458, however. The Jeff is my choice if I were after the biggest of the Big Five. Barnes Vor-TX Safari ammo in .458 Lott. MAGAZINES. Other professional hunters used the .416 which tends to out speed the .458 Winchester as well. Controlled expansion bullets, like this 300 grain .375 H&H Nosler Partition recovered from test media, are best for most dangerous game, except elephant. 1 has been offered in .405 as well. Introduced in 1970, the .458 Lott propelled 500-grain bullets at an honest 2,300 fps. Recoil, in an 11-pound rifle, is about 70 foot-pounds. All Rights Reserved. Which one is best then? Why?, you gain only recoil IMO..and probably give up control feed. One of the bigger Weatherby wildcats. It still has an MPBR just beyond 200 yards and a 175 yard dangerous game effective range. In this test, the A-Frames low BC did this cartridge few favors, but it is the one to bring if your antelope hunt just turned into a close fight with an irate Cape buffalo. Although, the .458 Win. Smaller calibers definately have their place but its obvious by your statements that youve never hunted in Africa. 3. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. https://www.africahunting.com/threads/zambia-takeri-reserve-zambias-special-place.64683/, https://www.africahunting.com/threads/zambia-zambian-adventure-takeri-game-reserve.24291/, https://www.africahunting.com/threads/zambia-hunting-report-takeri-private-reserve-zambia.16298/, https://www.africahunting.com/threads/zambia-takeri-reserve-zambia.24065/, https://www.africahunting.com/threaeller-safaris-coenraad-vermaak-safaris.32091/. It has enough power to stop an elephant, yet it wont disintegrate a whitetail deer. [1] For faster navigation, this Iframe is preloading the Wikiwand page for .458 Lott. Includes 1" (25mm) Opti lock bases and rings, front is offset backwards which means most 1" scopes will fit on . It uses a rebated rim (it needed to fit on a 98 Mauser bolt face), and kicks like the hammers of hell, but it stops things, all things, anywhere. The .416 Rigby is almost exclusively loaded with 400-grain bullets. The rifle bashed him absolutely flat, which does not happen very often, but it also caused the ring finger and little finger in my left hand to go numb. Initially, the velocities didn't make that figure, and many hunters complained of a lack in terminal performance. Armed with a quality rifle chambered for the .458 Win Mag, and the ability to shoot it accurately, the hunter need fear very little in today's hunting world. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) published voluntary standards for the cartridge in January 1994, hence it is not considered a proprietary cartridge. It was designed for use with Cordite, which was one of the first successful smokeless propellants. The .460 Weatherby Magnum, like the .375 H&H Magnum, is a relatively flat shooting cartridge. Roy Weatherby designed the 460 Weatherby Magnum, a belted, bottlenecked rifle cartridge, in 1958. One point for each foot-pound (force) recoil less than 25, and one point deducted for every ft-lbsf greater than 25. What To Do When Your Rifle Breaks While On a Hunt, The Only Three Guns You Need to Go Hunting, Elk Venison and Root Vegetable Stew Recipe, Federal Terminal Ascent Hunting Bullet: Field Review, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. 5,5 mm 5,6 x 52 r . Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. The.460 Weatherby Magnum cartridge may be loaded to perform similarly to the.45-70 Government and the.450 Rigby. 470 ACCURATE RELOADING. [18] of the Lott. Back to that British ammo ban in the early 20th century, many of the cartridges for double rifles saw the light of day because of the scramble to fill the void left by the .450 Nitro Express. One was a Weatherby in .460, the other one a Winchester in .458. The .375 H&H is perhaps the most versatile rifle cartridge ever developed. Introduced in 1970, the .458 Lott propelled 500-grain bullets at an honest 2,300 fps. In its current form, the .500 Nitro Express fires a 570-grain bullet at 2,150 fps, and may well be the top dangerous-game cartridge of all. This one is a particular favorite of mine, as it blends classic Africana with a slick-feeding, hard hitting cartridge. He wanted ammo that could drive a 510-grain bullet at 2150 fps at moderate muzzle pressure. SKU : ATIK5R3006. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." A .458 which fires 500 grain bullets at 2300 fps and fits into most rifle actions. The high Sectional Density of the 400-grain slugs gives phenomenal penetration, and over a century later, the .416 Rigby is perfectly suited to any game animal on earth. It worked so well it became the standard for large game, including both African and Asian elephants, buffalo, tigers, lions, and rhinoceros. The current rage among big bore shooters seems to be the 458 Lott, since it achieves a good 200-300 fps higher velocity than the 458 Winchester Magnum. Bullet diameter: .458 in (11.6 mm) He had an adverse encounter in Mozambique with a buffalo where he suffered some injuries. The less recoil, the more accurate the shooter, and hence, the more effective the cartridge. Modern loads will drive the same 400-grainer to 2,350 fps, putting this cartridge in the same realm as the 416s; my own favorite handloads run at a muzzle velocity of 2,280 fps, and in my Heym Express bolt-action rifle, it's one of my favorite rifle/cartridge combinations ever. If you like fast, and you enjoy heave bullets, the .416 Weatherby may be for you. All these cartridges will stop ferocious beasts at close range. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. With the exception of the cape buffalo, I would be happy with the .375 H&H for the rest of my life and I'm sure the 375 H&H would have worked on the Cape buffalo. Mag., .458 Lott, .460 Weatherby. https://collection.verney-carron.com/en.html, For Sale Sako 75 III Stainless Varmint Rifle In 6ppc, This must have the antis having a meltdownNew Zealand kids competition for shooting most feral cats. This is the cartridge most African PHs advise their clients to bring on safari, especially if they bring just one gun. For a hunter looking to expand his or her rifle collection, wanting a cartridge that will mate up well with a .300 Magnum, .30-06 or 7mm, I'd highly recommend the .375 H&H as the bigger version of the "all-around" cartridge. Harvesting bison, elk, moose, and brown bear can be performed by lowering the cartridge's performance to meet the criteria. MPBR for a ten-inch kill box illustrates the concept. ), large game (1500 ft-lbs), and dangerous game (3000 ft-lbs.). He had an adverse encounter in Mozambique with a buffalo where he suffered some injuries. and even that is marginal. Some hunting reports for Takeri Reserve Zambia posted by members of AfricaHunting.com: You must log in or register to reply here. If you can have only one hunting rifle, the .375 H&H is the one. It also requires a lengthy case in which to be loaded.) If you get 550 grain bullet at 2100fps good. Released in 2000, the .450 Marlin was developed by Hornady to offer the ballistics of the hottest .45-70 loads, but in a belted cartridge that would feed easier than the rimmed .45-70. A rimmed, straight-walled cartridge, the .405 was introduced in the Model 1895 Winchester, though the Ruger No. They called it the .458 Winchester Magnum. When it comes to hunting truly big game game that can and will turn the tables and make you the hunted instead of the hunter a cartridge of suitable size and power is most certainly called for. The much-decreased recoil of such loadings is a benefit. The "Three-Seven-Five" is one of the world's great cartridges. Winchester investigated and found that the heavily compressed loads of ball powder that they were using, had a habit of clumping together causing fickle ignition and less than desirable performance. I saw one video of a poacher that shot elephants with nothing more than the armor piercing 125 grain AK-47 7.6239 mm and the elephants fell down dead. The .416 Remington Magnum has become the most popular .416 because unlike the one which started it all, the .416 Rigby, it is the same length as the .375 H&H so more rifle makers offer a model chambered for it. When coupled with the large powder charge needed for this unnecessary speed, the recoil jumps to .458 Win. 458 Lott vs 458 Win Ma g Ballistics The powder Winchester had selectedit clumped inside the case in hot weather. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. I have both, and while the 460 is more powerful, with a muzzle break, I don't think it kicks a hole lot more than my ruger no. None other than famed African hunter and .416 Rigby devote, Harry Selby, once remarked about it, No finer cartridge has ever been developed. I couldnt agree more. (Its too much gun for anything smaller.) Mag. Recoil of the 460 is twice that of a 458 Win Mag, which is approximately 3 times that of a 45-70 lever rifle. Their spitzer shape provides reasonable ballistic coefficients (BC) which gives them a flatter trajectory than traditional round-nose dangerous game bullets. Its interesting to note that I have seen films of elephants shot on herd culling operations with nothing more than the .308 with a full metal jacketed 150 grain bullet dropped elephants dead in their tracks one after the other. the work-a-day African cartridge we know today. The guy who bought it was just as impressed with the Lott as I was. Few .458 Winchester rifles wore a barrel that long, and almost none attained that velocityat least in the first few decades of existence. The .375 Ruger uses the same case head diameter as the .375 H&H, looses the belt, and uses a wider body to keep the case capacity in the same ballpark as the H&H design. . Its more versatile than people think. The problem is the recoil becomes too much for many of us. The ability to reload to a lower velocity provides shooters with ammunition that has less recoil. Not finding what he wanted, he designed his own, which was simply a .458 with a longer case and greater powder capacity that gave 200 to 300 fps more than the Winchester round and greatly increased its power. It's a Browning X-Bolt Stainless Stalker. Midway USA. In spite of past glitches with the ammo, it works and it works very well. However, during experimentation, the case ended up at 2800 inches. The .416's Forte Another come back kid is the .404 Jeffery. Another bullet took a large buff from behind the rib cage, quartering forward. If you are on a plains game hunt in Africa, but decide to get a cull license for a Cape buffalo while in the field, either the .375 H&H or .416 Rem. The .458 Lott approaches .416 velocity; the .450 Rigby Rimless Magnum, .460 Weatherby Magnum, and behemoths like the .500 Jeffery and .505 Gibbs can equal (or exceed) .416 velocities. Suffered some injuries 11.6 mm ) he had an adverse encounter in Mozambique with a,! 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