Not that I disagrees with you-I think both are sails. Wenonahs Sports & Leisure canoes are the most stable of their models. Wenonah has more canoe models for backcountry tripping or paddling with more than two paddlers. More weight might help with the wind problem but I haven't tried that yet. I do not like the tractor seats so I ordered the canoe with cane and wood seats and wood gunwales. There are differences in the design of these canoes that affect their performance on the water. The Prism is our most popular composite solo canoe. I've fished in it extensively. Inspect the entire canoe before you buy it. I do have some gripes, but it's difficult to complain about a product that has performed so well for so long. This is my third year for my Royalex Wilderness, and generally, I like it real well. Deciding which category best suits your needs is a good place to start when choosing a canoe. For exclusively solo downriver paddling, the Argosy is a solo boat capable of running up to class III rapids with an experienced paddler at the helm. We also add extra fabric layers to strengthen specific targeted areas. We own two other solo canoes but purchased the Prism in 2018 for the bit more volume for solo overnight canoe trips to the BWCAW. I paddled this boat up the Thoroughfare River in N. Idaho (between Upper and Lower Priest Lake) last Memorial Day against a very strong current from the snowmelt. Only sissies paddle kayaks. As an update to my earlier review, I finally did receive the portage yoke I had ordered when I purchased the boat, six months after I received the boat. Only initial deficit, is wishing seat was able to be adjusted "on the fly", but that's minor. Wenonah canoes are made with T-Formex plastic or composite woven materials. Any prominent creases might indicate that the canoe was wrapped or suffered a more significant impact. Composite canoes can wear out faster than plastic ones. Sports and Leisure canoes would be called recreational canoes by other companies. I just picked up a Prism in Kevlar ultralight. Wenonah Canoe :: Portaging Accessories / Portaging Ash Yoke Attractive and durable. I am not likely to part with it. Included in this category is the flagship Wenonah 17 canoe. The Wilderness is lighter than any kayak of . The boat will take them at any angle. The Prism is our most popular composite solo canoe. This boat is designed to be equipped with a small two-to-three-horsepower motor. The boat isn't that manoeuverable but then it is a trip boat after all and tracks well and fast. Their composite canoes are lighter, making them easier on portages. It also requires alot of leaning to make it turn upstream around hairpin turns. I have not paddled the NW solo form a kneeling position, or from a elevated sitting position that would be required after replacing the drops to kneeling drops. If you could lower the seat an inch or two somehow I don't think you would ever be able to tip it over unless you tried really hard. Kevlar is: strong but susceptible to scraping wounds. The boat arrived in a timely fashion but with several dings in the finish and some black spots which I believe to be overspray from painting the gunwales. I am very impressed with the boat and excited to get her on bigger water after paddling her on the St. Croix River today in 2-3 ft pleasure craft swells. Capacity - This canoe can handle a load very well. I've never felt insecure in wind or waves even when loaded to the brim and on some relatively big water in the Adirondacks. However, last week I found myself in big water with a 25MPH wind and two-foot waves (not recommended for any paddlecraft!) A 17-foot Spirit II canoe with this material weighs 54 pounds. Before we noticed to many alligators watching the dog waiting for it to become a snack the Mohawk solo 14 that has a flat bottom was her favorite solo. Unfortunately this 44 pound canoe is harder for me to lift than it was when I purchased it 9 years ago. However as a smaller paddler at 150lbs it does require more energy to keep it moving than other boats that Ive paddled. Wilderness has same bow and stern depth as prism and is two inches deeper mid-ships- So it presents slightly more freeboard to the wind albeit less overall length exposure (much greater width though). The foot braces work excellent, they're very well designed, just replace the wing nuts they give you with self locking nuts or they will come loose and fall off, possibly while on your roof going down the highway which is not good. The Prism is an very popular composite solo canoe. It's OK to paddle, but I prefer to use oars (available from Spring Creek Outfitters in Mountain Iron, Mich.). It simply is not a replacement for a tandem canoe when it comes to versatility. I do like a clean finish and that requires a little more care on my part. I've never once accidentally capsized my Prism in 20 years of real-world use. The Tuf-weave layup results in our most durable composite canoes. Last week I finished a trip for 100 miles in frosty weather conditions on "Main-River" close to Frankfurt. Wenonah uses five different blends of composite materials, varying in strength, weight and price. About my only complaint is the near impossibility of dropping to a kneeling position in rough conditions. Eagle K1 K-1 Orion Olympic Kayak K-2 Osprey Olympic Kayak. Very fast and tracks well. Unless you plan to really bang the canoe around, this shouldnt be an issue. We also add extra fabric layers to strengthen specific targeted areas. I recommend this boat for any intermediate paddler and above who wants to go solo! The yoke is very lightweight (2.5 pounds), very cleverly designed, and works exactly as advertised. Above all, it's quiet. The Boundary Waters Canoe Area is practically in Wenonahs backyard. I found the boat to track fairly well. 02/18/2014 12:45PM (Thread Older Than 3 Years). The Prism has fine performance and capacity with enough stability for anyone to handle. With Kevlar or cherry gunnels and thwarts - or both combined, Kevlar seats that are solid and secure including a genius multi-height seat pod system as an option that's built into the hull rather than looking like it's been taped to the hull with kevlar tape, quick-screw yokes that are solid and functional, ridiculously beautiful emerald, ruby, sapphire, or traditional clear kevlar hull options and multiple carbon hull options, it's hard not to look at Wenonah as old-school and Swift as state-of-the-art. For most general canoeing needs, theres a Wenonah canoe to match. Access is limited so I usually have the loch to myself. The width of 26" at the seat is great because it allows you to access stuff along side the seat pedastal like a water bottle or anything else that can get a little bit wet without hurting it. After 20 years of use, I'd give it 2 thumbs up to anyone considering acquiring one. I also put tugeyes on it (as I do to all my canoes) to put the end ropes on. If you compare the measurements that wenonah gives for the prism it is about 3" higher at the bow and the stern than the advantage, which people reviewing that canoe say is not affected by the wind so this may be why the prism has problems, at least with a 175 lb load. Sliding bucket seat is comfortable, and the spring clip that holds it in place can be adjusted quickly with one hand. Compare. The boat handle pretty well. This is a great all-around material, balancing weight and strength. Look at the range of boats in this category if you plan to dabble in different types of paddling and prioritize stability over speed. Rick, Quote: IMO it does have one serious drawback..If you are paddling smaller streams with lots of twisty turns, this canoe isn't for you. reinstalled the rear thwart further back from the seat so it wouldn't press against my back which it did in its original position. I haven't done any long portages yet that would require the yoke. The workmanship on the boat is very good, and I like the fact that I can move the seat to balance the canoe after adding a portage pack or a dog. Blending efficiency, stability, capacity, and finesse, it's ideal for cruising with a light load, but also has the volume needed for medium-length trips. Most beginner paddlers will find a model in this category that matches their paddling style. I have already had to repair it with epoxy and put patches on bow and stern which do not blend at all. You can really put some miles behind you. Youll have to get the canoe to the factory, and it will take some time, but this is an option for those who are less handy. Learn more, We use cookies to enhance your experience, for analytics, and to support 3rd party content and advertising providers. The adjustable aluminum seat mount is noisy and even at the lowest setting, I found the boat to be a little top heavy with me in it, so I reconfigured it and dropped the seat two additional inches AND it does not rattle anymore, thanks to a couple of wing nuts and nylon washers. I was with two other tandem canoes and was able to keep pace with them reasonably well. You simply use a sweep stroke. During my training sessions on Emigrant Lake nearby my home, on the Klamath River with somewhat faster water then I thought a novice should be paddling and on the Willamette River I found that the Prism quickly inspired confidence. No matter the type of canoe youre considering, theres a chance Wenonah has one to match your needs. (FYI the Prism and Keewaydin are two VERY different canoes). I personally own a Wilderness in Rx and a Northwind solo in starlite, The two boats have similar specks but are completely different in the water. On the last morning of my trip there was a 15-20 mph wind that was kicking up waves that were about 1 foot (I don't believe reports of canoeing in 2-3 footers on small lakes, either dumb or not a good guess on wave height) with whitecaps. Purists cover your ears. Or whatever the current Northstar equivalant of the Merlin II is. I test paddled two Wenonahs last year, a Prism and an Encounter, and bought the Encounter in Kevlar flex-core. So much so, that she stole the sucker, leaving me to paddle my beat-up ol' C1W. Yesterday I picked up a kayak paddle, and that is even better. It just blows you sideways like other reviewers have also said. Dont be afraid to walk around with it for a while. I'm large, 6'2" 250lbs, I traded a solo plus which is longer and heavier. Its working. Sounds like the Wenonah's might fit my style better. Advantage 16' 6" Voyager 17' 6" . I can handle that without a sweat. Wenonah also owns the kayak brand Current Designs and builds them in the same Minnesotafacility. We also add extra fabric layers to strengthen specific targeted areas. Its pretty stiff, so its more responsive than T-Formex. Well give an overview of these materials and their strengths andweaknesses. The cost of a Wenonah canoe varies by the model, materials and upgrade options chosen for it. Youll be joining a long line of canoeists whove paddled the worlds waters in these signature boats. Are there any quality differences between the Northstar and the Wenonah? Holds all my fishing and camping gear--let's see a kayak do that!!! Due to its light weight I was very careful to tie in to a tree every night, something I never felt necessary with my Grumman canoe! Rick: Canoes are like shoes. Brilliantly designed for extended solo . The Prism was a close second and I found a used one (44# kevlar composite) two years ago. I think it's the perfect boat for an easy weeks worth of gear. You should probably not take her in any real whitewater, and she is stable enough seated, so why would you ever want to kneel? Tuf-weave canoes offer improved impact resistance and are a great compromise between light weight, performance, and price. It is a little slow to respond in a current (won't turn on a dime like my Bell Yellowatone tandem) but the trade off is that it moves faster on flatwater with a double bladed paddle which is what I wanted. The canoes have always handled fine with the dog. Read reviews for the Wilderness by Wenonah Canoe, Inc. as submitted by your fellow paddlers. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The advantage of building canoes with this method is that it produces stiff, lightweight canoes. Wenonahs bench seats can be either cane or webbing. It is made by another manufacturer for Wenonah, which is why it was not shipped with the boat -- it was apparently out of stock at Wenonah and the other manufacturer was behind in fulfilling its orders. Help keep the flying moose flying and Or an old Merlin II. These are necessary adjustments for this model and now trim and stability are great, even in rough water. They are some of the longest and highest-volume canoes Wenonah builds. I have since purchased and installed new thwarts and a seat, all of which I reduced in length by 15% from stock seat and thwarts. Cane has a traditional look, while webbing is more durable. At times I'm a weekend warrior, and other times more than that. Kayaking the Mouth of the Columbia River's Tidal Influences, When Cities Meet The Water: Americas Top Urban Paddling Destinations, Paddling At Night - Tips and Safety Recommendations. You can choose between bench or bucket seats on most Wenonah canoes. I hate saying this. If youre considering buying a used Wenonah, youll want to know where to look, what to look for, and of course, to try it out if you can. I love my Kevlar Prism. (probably added 4 ounces and $10. $ 3,899.00 $ 2,799.00. I am way lucky to live within minutes of 3 rivers, Wisconsin, Kickapoo and Mississippi, so I do mostly back water and long river runs, with a few trips each season "up North" (BWCA, etc) They are suitable canoes for families or paddlers on day trips or easy weeklong outings. When I look at the new canoes being produced by companies like Swift, I can't help but wonder if Wenonah is stuck in 1978. If you want to turn on a dime or do whitewater forget the Prism. You can also fit several boat cushions between your back and the rear thwart and it's almost like a lazyboy chair then. One great thing about Prospector canoes is that they all have symmetrical hulls. Maine-based Old Town is another storied American canoe builder. along with the wonderful resources, interactive maps, and online community. I cured this by widening the pedestal base 9" and lowering it 5/8". Wenonah 's tripping models quickly became popular in the nearby Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness, beginning with Circhanowski's original designthe Wenonah 17. It's only when you compare it to a 14' hull with rocker that you realize what you're giving up in maneuverability, but of course a 14' hull with rocker will generally not track as straight. I did have the outfitter pull out the metal seat brackets which are an abomination and put in conventional 31/2" drops. I have little chance to try before I buy. Sometimes they will provide more details, but they may also simply be listed as Fiberglass Canoe. Depending on how informed and thorough the seller is, you may have to deduce the model and materials from photos and check Wenonahs website. 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