5 These horns all appear within a few hundred serial numbers of each other right around 235,000, in both alto and tenor. The _ga cookie, installed by Google Analytics, calculates visitor, session and campaign data and also keeps track of site usage for the site's analytics report. Ive used a The Martin baritone for years. I am well aware that some will question my figures and criticize my findings. the gold wash in the bell. There are, of course, a very few Super 20 baritones, some with silver necks (add 15%) and I have seen one with a silver bell. Alto 6M $ 2000 horns stamped viii seem to play best Tenor $ 2900 But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. The Conn Transitional saxophones derived their model name from the transition from the "New Wonder" models to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series. Alto $ 900 32. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. CONN. WONDER through 150XXX Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. burnished. From 1987 on, the two-digit prefix number plus 50 will give you the year of manufacture. It is my opinion that the Conn 6M Transitional is a fantastic buy in vintage alto saxophones. Deduct for needed repairs and/or restoration to original condition. They play rather nicely. Some examples have screw in resonators. This cookie is set by DoubleClick to note the user's specific user identity. 20M Straight Eb Sopranino (they called it an "Eb Soprano") > Silver & Gold (1) Some of these are beautifully engraved (add 10%). Brown rollers always, as well as snap in pads and Norton springs. *1980 - 1986 serial numbers are for student trumpet and cornets only. -the letterAat the end of most alto serial numbers in this period (andonlythis period) Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. The 6M alto; 10M tenor; and 12M baritone are the famous naked lady horns. Around number 272XXX, the Super 20 was introduced. 0 - Artist Finish ("Satin Gold"): Heavily gold plated that had most of the features of a "Naked Lady" all pitches were completely transitioned to the "Naked This cookie is installed by Google Analytics. I believe that the models before the Balanced Action are overpriced. Bass $ 7500. Great Savings & Free Delivery / Collection on many items . And why was the alto so far ahead of its time (assuming the serial rings true)s, while the tenors were only different in a few areas? The Eb/C mechanism is genius; the articulated low C#/Bb mechanism should be on all horns. Baritone $ 2500 If it has been stolen recently, the legal owner may have registered it with an online database of stolensaxophones. a list of model numbers for Conn saxophones from the 20th century. Baritone $3400. Usually seen in silver. Set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin, this cookie is used to record the user consent for the cookies in the "Advertisement" category . The Gold Plate (00). . Alto $ 1200 It needed a full repadding which I got done in Brisbane and I used it for a number of years until I needed to pay for some home renovation,so I sold it off. article. Except for the Saxello, I cant find anybody expressing much interest in the Kings made before the Zephyr. Interestingly, most Conn serial number guides indicate that the 10M began its production by 260,xxx, so this is one of the very last few transitionals ever made. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. for about what that horn would have cost today.). Baritone $1800 C Melody Tenor If they wereprototypes of some sort- why would the prototype alto be stamped A if they didnt do that until later and it was probably only for bookkeeping purposes? [About Made in 1930, with wonderful art-deco engraving. I thought this was standard on the gold plated This appears onevery Conn alto I have ever seenmade between about #253xxx and #275xxx (1932-1936). fork Eb trill disappears The new model alto was part of a redesign of most of the Conn saxophone line, taking place one model at a time, from 1928-34. (HP), Eb Baritone Naked Lady with Silver plated ones bring 20% more, Ive never seen a gold plated one. Theres a real oversupply of alto horns. Alto $ 2200 Silver plate commands a 20% premium; gold a 30% premium. The British connection may explain also the less than revealing lady. My current opinion is that there were either a couple Fat sound and great intonation. 6, 1882 C.G. Oops, looks like you forgot something. It is near mint condition, even though it is 75 years old! Additionally, 0 bids. me! DAddario Reserve alto mouthpiece (review), Understanding Transposition for Saxophones, Our friendly & informative saxophone forum. 1927 dollar = 10.05 2006 dollars. Conn Saxophone model numbers Italics indicates "educated guess". horns is the switch from split to one-sided bell keys. Conn Trumpet Notes - Vol. You can buy two wonderful old Conns for what some people are asking for Selmers of the same era. a pentagon. There were 2 sets of Conn models that had M prefacing the serial number, and this often a source of confusion. New Wonder Transitional; Artist ("Naked Lady") Connqueror 26M & 30M; Connstellation 28M; Director 14M & 16M; DJH Modified; Couesnon. If the horns were indeed floor models, why have I never seen others outside of that serial range, and why were they ALSO mis-stamped? Interestingly, refers to Conn's change from the New Wonder series of horns TRUE TONE 5XXX 254XXX Plate (2) These transitional 6M saxophones can have a wide variety of features, in general evolving over time from configurations that are mostly identical to New Wonder Series II configurations to configurations that are almost identical to the eventual 6M model of 1936 that remained mostly unchanged until 1948, when the rolled toneholes were discontinued. Microtuners; and adjustable pivot screws; and added an entirely These are the very best of the Aristocrat series. rolled-tone-hole (HP), Bb Tenor Naked Lady with rolled-tone-hole (HP), Eb Alto Naked Lady with The Conn Transitional features split-bell keys, rolled tone holes, a microtuner on the neck and improved keywork compared to the New Wonder. by Conn themselves relacquered this way! Curved Bb Soprano Ser#271k, Original finish at 90%--color is great! Finally, > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 10M It contains a hashed/encrypted unique ID. Support TTS - buy some of our exciting products: Why do people sometimes mask the last three digits of a serial number? YSC cookie is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos on Youtube pages. Conn Tenth Edition Wonder Catalogue, 1885 C.G. generally feature a stylized full "Naked Lady" in The 10M production stayed in Elkhart until the end. Alto $ 2000 Most, but not all, of these features YouTube sets this cookie via embedded youtube-videos and registers anonymous statistical data. We have this very nice Conn Transitional alto saxophone for sale. over all, pearl inlaid keys and rollers, bell richly hand-engraved. Ive never seen them in anything but lacquer. 6M Eb Alto These are very common horns, which play rather nicely when set up properly. > I Although the word transitional is a word that has been applied after the fact by saxophone enthusiasts, it may be more appropriate to refer to these saxophones as the New Model, because, The Very First Transitionals- The New Model. is the change in design of the chromatic F# key and G# cluster, Indeed, prefixing M for saxophone was probably done for the same reasons of record-keeping during the sax boom of the mid 20s. ARISTOCRAT 290XXX 325XXX BIG B Conn Trumpet Notes Catalogue - Vol. At the same time theprefixletter M, used on all saxes since 1924, is dropped. If a seller does hide part of the number you may wonder if they are trying to hide the fact that it is stolen. Soprano $ 2200 Models Most of the examples you will find will be in a satin silver finish. They have quite a cult following today, and with good reason. After the mid 1950s, the Zephyr became an intermediate model, so deduct 30%. rolled-tone-holes, Eb Baritone Naked Lady with Berry played a tenor saxophone almost identical to this one. plating choices Conn had. 1991. Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 10 Rue Neuve-Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 50 Rue Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 26 Rue de Rocroy Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 39 Rue de Dunkerque paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 56 Rue Laffitte Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 6 Rue Lallier Paris, Wonder Improved - Elkhart IND & Worcester MASS, Wonder Improved & Wonder Perfected - Elkhart IND, Slant Signature Special - Stainless Steel, 1875 C.G. Inside of Stripe sets this cookie cookie to process payments. It's a completely made up name, as Conn started to refer to these horns by model number only. This cookie, set by YouTube, registers a unique ID to store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. Ive seen a couple of people pay some really stupid prices for these. name indicated "Low Pitch" and "High Pitch", respectively. See our cookie policy here. in the 1930's to protect the finish, but this was not Almost perfection ! sand blast velvet finish, bell richly engraved, pearl finger Free shipping for many products! Straight soprano $ 2000 page. The horns made during that time are almost all Transitional 6Ms, identical to later 6Ms except for certain neck details (not all known, as summarized above) and, of course, the swivel thumbhook. Plate (2) Keys inlaid with or Best Offer. Most of the Zephyr series was in lacquer, add 15% for silver. Vintage Conn Transitional Alto Saxophone . > Satin Gold Plate (0) I have a customer who owns one. Plate (2) C melody $ 800 More info: it is almost universally thought that lacquer was not Both Paul and Brian are fellow Conn lovers, and this article would not have been possible without their help. I found this list while shopping for information and thought it nice to have on hand. Tenor $ 3000 The horns from 1933 (Handcraft Committee) through the early 60s (the Magna) can hold their own with anything ever made. Absolutely worth it! M SERIES 260XXX 834XXX of this website's content, please e-mail saxpics@gmail.com Later ones have sculpted low Eb/C keys like the legendary S-1. > Satin 1 ("Silver & Gold"): Body heavily silver plated, The difference between a well-overhauled 6M and a 6M with a mediocre job is huge, and to really get your moneys worth and see what makes these horns special they need to be in tip-top shape. It was not moved to Nogales Arizona or Nogales Mexico. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. STARTED at approximately s/n: - 220xxx for baritone Conn ws a highly organized and mechanized production. Bb Tenor Conn started using letter prefixes on serial numbers in 1963. Silver is not uncommon (add 15%), gold a little more scarce (add 20%).. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. It has two patent dates, "2-8-76" and "10-21-84", stamped with the word "STANLEY." It has the same trademark stamped into the iron, except that "STANLEY" is in a straight line, in large letters. There are quite a few saxophone serial number charts on the internet, these ones have mostly been adapted from existing manufacturers and saxophone enthusiasts charts. Similar adjustments for finish. Saxophone.org. Interesting to see, anyways. Bizarrely, one of them sportedstraight toneholes. error, or have an instrument produced before roughly 1970 (see serial number I did not consider auction sales (such as E-Bay); private sales between individuals who are not regular dealers; pawn shop or other irregular sources, or any anecdotal stories. The tone is nice and warm and fat with a solid core- and could be used for anything from big band to small group jazz and even classical with the right mouthpiece. when dealing with the 1960s and later Conns it is good to provide a photo of the horn. But what does the A suffixmean? is characterized by: 1. The differences in the variations are pretty minor, mostly in mechanism. Alto Zephyr Spcl. Europe. The later examples have snap in pads and Norton springs. Conn burned all its archives in 1970. It is a late transitional 10M (notice no 10M stamp by the serial number quite yet) and it is original lacquer. Alto $ 2100 To be clear, I will use the term New Wonder II style transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the New Wonder II, and 6M transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the 6M. If you feel any image or soundbyte used here is in violation of copyright It has not yet been overhauled, and is pictured in its current state with pads that are about 50 years old. The others were still basically True Tones. -the nickname New York Neck, of unknown origin, usually used for the non-tuner overslung, but sometimes confused with theMETROneck But here goes: Some altos made as early as 1932 have stampings on the necks in front of the microtuner sleeve eitherSTDD MorSTDD N. Thenin the #276k-277k range only(1936-37), altos appear that are stampedMETROorNATLunder the thumbhook, after the model number. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. .Ive seen a couple of Committee models with sterling silver necks. Please consider. Theres nothing on this Earth quite like one of these at full song! price chart, in 1930/31 dollars. The baritones are extremely rare and fabulous! Tenor $ 5000 I find their intonation to be sketchy at best. New Wonder Transitional: 237,000 (1930) 263,000 (1935) Artist ("Naked Lady") 263,000 (1935) unknown (1971) Connqueror 26M & 30M: 263,000 (1935) 309,000 (1943) Connstellation 28M . From the Committee on, they are almost always lacquer. is that right? Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. Alto 26M $ 2800 8M C Melody Tenor More than with any other model, condition is everything. Baritone $ 4500, SUPER BALANCED ACTION 35801- 53200 Thanks to the person that assembled this! Soprano $2500 This is probably what happened to cause Conn to stamp the neck tenons of the very first batch of transitional horns with NM- most likely for New Model- on the neck tenon. 6 : Body heavily nickel plated and highly polished, pearl Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. The Beauty of Saxophones: Fully Engraved 1932 Selmer Cigar Cutter Alto Saxophone, Original 1931 Conn Alto Saxophone Warranty Booklet. 10M Bb Tenor The earliest examples are stamped Serie 22. and have a unique side Bb mechanism. B: the inside diameter of the inner sleeve of the tunable neck (you will need to complete unscrew the tuner barrel to get to it) No,No, the M prefix denotes the ARTIST models eg.M266xxxA (my late tranny/6M). Note: From 1987 to present, add 50 to the serial number prefix to calculate the year of manufacture. 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