Vote for Zato-1's tiers . I think what overlord is insuitating is that Shiek is going to have the same kind of difficulty grabbing marth in both versions and tech chasing and comboing are kind of the same thing when it comes to grabs. I wonder if ICs match ups require more than the following question: how easily can I get 3 grabs? The attacks will change when holding up or down during the input of the 2nd attack onward. And I still think it's 45-55. Marth's dash attack has good reach and damage, but it is one of his slowest attacks, and has a ton of endlag. +2 = Advantage. my only issue is snake marth being 0 (I feel its -1 for snake) and diddy being +1 snake (I feel its at best even for snake) other than that, yayyy -2 pika! Before the tenth tier list was made, Mewtwo had no advantageous match ups, but now it has plenty. Even though hes trying not to think about it, Zain is excited about the opportunity to achieve this legendary accomplishment, and even teased that he wants more. Additionally, characters who have had more weaknesses exposed since then, such as Ganondorf, may have stronger spreads shown than what is accurate. Ultimate. The move deals extreme knockback to the opponent in front of Marth, usually resulting in a KO. Beware that whiffing it will leave Marth helpless, making it easy for an opponent to punish, so be careful not to be too trigger happy with it, and use it when you are sure the move that hit his shield was unsafe. Liquid|Hungrybox (Jigglypuff) 5. This means that it can be used as a recovery option after being launched offstage by an opponent. Even if uncharged, it is very effective on shields, so it is a good attack to use on opponents who are very defensive. Use the forward air while falling after your jump. With his extremely fast up special and long ranged nair attacks, Marth has great out of shield options. It is an excellent tool for spacing out opponents, and if you can pull off a sliding tilt, it essentially replaces his dash attack. Bob money actually made a LOT of good points that you just sort of cast aside in your deconstruction of his post. I wanna try and beat it too, he said. very prevalent matchups, like spacies v marth, a matchup that most players will experience frequently (given the high amount of spacie and marth players). Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. The chart offers several interesting analyzes about the dynamics of the game and is also open to a variety of interpretations; players may use the chart to further their chances of tournament success by using it as a guideline for what matches to avoid, or as a constructive tool indicating how much they will have to improve a given character in order to overcome a difficult counterpick. Niko, that was a rather misinformed post, no offense at all. 16th overall. sure i'll MM you whenever people are blessed enough to have us both in the same room. Now that the metagane and subsequent tier list has been released, will we ever see a new Matchup Chart released? Properly spacing the tipper on attacks such as forward smash and back aerial will allow him to take stocks rather quickly. On this year's current Super Smash Bros Melee tier list, four characters are placed in B+ tier: Ice Climbers, Pikachu, Yoshi and Samus. http://www.smashboards.com/threads/official-bbr-matchup-chart-v1-0.298484/, http://smashboards.com/threads/official-swf-matchup-chart-v2-0.316173/. If used right when landing, it can be followed up with another aerial attack. so I guess we should start from the top of the new tier. Also, the names here are what I call these techniques personally. However, the move only has a horizontal hitbox, so it is difficult to use against opponents who are jumping. Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! -1 = Slight Disadvantage or Even. -2 = Disadvantage. this collection contains resources relevant to players of all skill levels. Zain is hoping Genesis will be the start of another great year for him. 2. vs MK. For now, the Melee Match-Up Chart will represent both sides of what the boards think, so for example, the Fox boards and the Falco boards will both have their respective opinions listed on the chart, so (for example) Fox may be 50:50, while Falco may be 55:45. It appears that you are using ad block :'(. Overall, this is how last year went in terms of Major victories. After the tournament, Jacob Wolf wrote that Zain had ushered in a new era of competitive Melee with Zain leading the charge of young players rising up following Armadas retirement. It can even take stocks when used out of shield on an opponent at higher percents, so make sure you are comfortable with using up B out of shield. But why would I play a matchup where I have to constantly out play the player instead of having some sort of counterplay.. Holding up launches opponents upward, no input launches them forward, while holding down allows him to deal more damage. Conversely, failing to land the sweetspot of his sword will make it difficult to take stocks, so unlike Lucina (whose sword does the same damage and knockback regardless of where it hits), Marth is a better character for more advanced characters who are able to properly control their spacing on each attack. JavaScript is disabled. Marth players will want to avoid a risk, so they tend to choose fast falling + an air dodge, or escaping toward the ledge, so watch how they attempt to get out of disadvantage and follow up there. I hope some of you find this site useful, and that I can give something back to the Melee community in thanks for all the great experiences it's given me. Lke Nair, forward air also has great range and quick startup. Zain and his signature Marth went 3-4 against iBDW and his Fox last year. It is primarily used to put opponents into disadvantage so you can juggle them with up airs. These are my own opinions, and are not to be taken as 100% correct. Fox, +47 2. When the Golden Guardians player competes at Genesis 9 next weekend, hell be going for his third consecutive Genesis title, something only one of the Smash gods, Adam Armada Lindgren, has done. Marth out ranges sheik. Hes also trying to take better care of his body so that hes at peak competitive form. That includes getting enough sleep, watching his diet and working out more, in particular cardio. go premium to hide all advertisements and this notice. I can deal. There are three ways to unlock Marth. This combo can be used on opponents with lower percents. Marth's side special can be extended by inputing B multiple times, for a total of 4 attacks. and ddd/falco is -1 imo. Super Smash Bros. 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Thats still my goal, but I definitely want to take a healthier approach towards that and not stake too much -- I just dont want to stress myself out to an unhealthy degree about that.. He's no Armada. It can also be used to hit opponents hanging on the ledge after their invulnerability has run up. Simply grinding tech-skills can get a bit boring at times; these challenges are designed to provide a fun incentive to train difficult techniques. This combo can be used on opponents with lower percents. / Creatures Inc. / GAME FREAK inc. / SHIGESATO ITOI / APE inc. / INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS / SEGA / CAPCOM CO., LTD. / BANDAI NAMCO Games Inc. / MONOLITHSOFT / CAPCOM U.S.A., INC. / SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD.The copyrights of videos of games used in our content and other intellectual property rights belong to the provider of the game.The contents we provide on this site were created personally by members of the Game8 editorial department.We refuse the right to reuse or repost content taken without our permission such as data or images to other sites. you can actually solve for nash equilibria directly, no need for monte carlo. ITT : people butthurt about numbers they don't understand. But outside of that there were no solo-Fox players that were able to take home the big victories. For newer players, please keep in mind that some of these techniques are either not important to learn, or generally Unlike the previous chart, characters are ordered by their cumulative weighted matchup scores this time around. Created by phanna and updated for 2015, the chart is based loosely on community consensus regarding character match-ups and there are future plans to use the data collected for deeper analysis of the subject and potential expansion of the chart/project. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_xvxJfPJkIn4icqJO2IF_TwSq9o4Kb5K-fICdFd8fAU/edit?usp=sharing. on learning techniques and their applications, but also covers various aspects of general strategy. A collection of information on playing against specific characters as Marth, based on my personal knowledge and experience. That's kinda what I figured. Crazy to see G&W so low, he's usually considered the last semi-viable mid tier or best low tier. Obviously those players winning with those characters are the best at playing them in the world, but that doesnt mean it isnt inspiring others to get better at old matchups rather than just picking Fox because he is the best., Zain is making it undoable, iBDW said. Niantic and Capcom Unveil Monster Hunter Now, Open Beta T Splatoon 3 x The Legend of Zelda Collaboration Makes May 2018 Nintendo Original Game: Nintendo / HAL Laboratory, Inc. Read more: Golden Guardians new facility influenced by Warriors own new center. Zain got signed by Golden Guardians shortly after winning Genesis 7. This collection will be updated regularly, so be sure to check back often! I have tried to make this process both fun and informative for players wanting to learn this game. Marth's forward throw has decent launch distance, and can be used to set up an edgeguard, but it doesn't combo or confirm into anything. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Completing any of these, then defeating Marth when they appear in the a New Challenger Appears screen will allow you to use them afterward. ", Platform Push-off demonstration by Armada, Tech Lessons at PewPewUniversity by PewPewU, Useful No Impact Landings by Zaheer's Air Scooter, Compilation of Marth Information by MookieRah. Sign up for the next Nerd Street tournament! YAY NEW CHART - I HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED YET. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Made it easier to hit the high-damage range. If the first hit is combined with a fast fall, it can be used as a combo starter as well, leading into fmash at higher percents, which is a kill confirm. Extended launch distance in the high-damage window. jk jk. This chart makes me kinda sad to look at :C Almost every character is AT LEAST one spot higher against Ganon than they should be, IMO. Zain has become the best Marth player in the world and is turning matchups that are usually considered neutral or even bad for his character into winnable games purely based on how hard he practices against them. Use the up air attack just before landing on the ground. I feel like last year I played very by the book in terms of matchups and very strictly, which works well, but definitely want to play more confidently and stylishly in tournaments, he said. It was the first time somebody other than one of the Five Gods was ranked No. ddd/mk -3. not sure how i feel about that. Everybody except Pichu and Bowser have at least one counter. This attack covers the space above Marth, all the way to his back, making it useful against opponents who are jumping, landing, or even rolling. It was a similar story against Mang0, as the melee god beat Zain twice in a row in the latter half of the year. with the exceptions being my brother Seshiro and close friend Size14Gerudo who I play against frequently. If you want to contribute still, the form link is here: https://forms.gle/EAEQw3NkF4byBSah9, its all perception based. Scan this QR code to download the app now, https://old.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/f3vsc2/smash_summit_9_day_2_upsetgeneral_match_thread/, https://smash.gg/tournament/smash-summit-9/events/melee-singles/brackets, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQmLganXUAE581T?format=jpg&name=small, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQM5mhdWkAQOhd_?format=jpg&name=medium. Just look how broken he was in PM with a good shield and a few buffs. Also leffen: complains about the fox marth matchup for several minutes after losing to Zain. If we ever get around to updating Ganon, I'd be glad to take over the discussion. However, since this chart was made, metagame has evolved, so many character matchups have changed. -2 = Disadvantage. or even for Melee in general. GG|Zain (Marth) 2. Since Genesis 7, Zain has gone 16-4 against the melee god. Marth, +39 5. Good for him, he is doing an amazing job, but he is making that matchup feel undoable. Due to the chart's age, it does not properly represent shifts and innovations in the metagame since it was made, so characters who have risen since previous iterations of the tier list, such as Pikachu and Yoshi may have weaker matchup spreads shown than what is currently accurate. If you are able to hit an opponent with the tipper of Marth's forward smash, it deals incredible knockback, which can allow for very early KOs. The longer it is held and charged for, the more damage and knockback it has. Super Smash Bros. I'm going to say it again because its important to this match up:You need to CC Shieks moves and not challenge her in situations up close(part of playing the match up). A tale of two tier charts Marth can combo sheik. Pokemon Trainer's individual Pokemon (Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard) as well as Echo fighters with no significant difference than their regular counterpart are not shown. I propose an amended chart where Pikachu/MK is -1, I propose an amended tier list where Pikachu/MK is -1, Anybody else craving McDonalds Breakfast? 3. This is also why Im trying to get more responses, the more sane people fill this out the more sane the chart will be. As a Luigi main hes not that good against spacies you can do the Chain grab and also young link is a nightmare to deal with. Smash Melee fans will be fixated on Genesis and Zain beginning Friday, Jan. 20. He also beat Hungrybox twice at Genesis 7 after entering with a 4-17 record against him. Smash Summit Nine is well underway, pitting most of the best Super Smash Bros. Melee in the world against each other in very small brackets, which is usually where viewers get to see some of the most high-level play for each character in the game. it's absurdly out of date and there is no reason why people will look at this chart, see capitan falcons matchup spread, abd immediately decide to not main him for that reason. If I get good feedback and people find this site useful then I could potentially do something similar for other characters, This site uses cookies. Made it easier to hit in the high-damage window. If you can get down the timing of the jump, this is a quick and easy combo. 1 in the official Smash rankings compiled by Panda Global. If anyone wants to make individual set threads they are free to do so (singles starts at 10 AM Pacific US/ 1 PM Eastern US). "marth may beat fox fox may beat marth but at the end of the day we all love melee" And anyway, in NTSC is not so worse than PAL. (its not as bad as 40 60 but worse than 45 55). Most people don't have the patience to learn the spacing game with Puff. For other characters who are not shown here, we are still investigating the matchup. Woops! The timeline is divided into 5 stages, each of which is more difficult and complex than the last. Marth's dair has a meteor hitbox, allowing him to spike opponents. I somewhat agree with Overlord (sheik is actually starting to be one of my favourite matchups lol). Potemkin - 5.7. Time decreased between 1st and 2nd hit red]Less lag = Buff[/red]. JavaScript is disabled. Marth's down special is a typical counter. Conversely, hitting an opponent with the sour spot deals very little knockback, failing to KO most opponents even at 100%. Oh right, kdj beat ken that one time 3-2. The matchup chart was based around both the opinions of professional players of each character, as well as our own experience through playing Sheik. It feels like after seeing Zain win Genesis 7 and seeing the 2019 rankings for Melee the evolution of the character charts is going to start becoming even more prominent. +1 = Slight Advantage or Even. When reporting a problem, please be as specific as possible in providing details such as what conditions the problem occurred under and what kind of effects it had. Heading into this years Genesis, Zain is preparing just like he has for any Major tournament: focusing on his matchups, scheduling practices and doing appropriate analysis. I think people are rating match-ups based on how they do vs their friends instead of how the character(at highest level) does vs another character(at highest level). The ratings are on the following scales: Difficulty: (Swordmaster Lord: Harbinger of 20BC). There are many different names for specific Tech in SSBM. However, since Marth is quick and has excellent range, you'll need to be wary of your own spacing when using projectiles. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. useless in competitive play. Narratively, I dont know what I fall under, like they were the Five Gods -- I know people label me and Cody [IBDW] as Documentary Kids. Doesnt sound as a cool as a Melee god, but Ill take it, Zain said while laughing. Lead photo credit: Kenneth Rodriguez / @XenosMccloud. Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts! Like other matchup charts, this one doesn't explain why or how characters like Fox, Falco, or even Jigglypuff are some of the best, as each takes different skills to become proficient in every matchup. This section will be expanded regularly as I continue to play Marth and gain relevant matchup knowledge. Though very subjective (and just for fun) I've attempted to assign a difficulty and usefullness rating to every tech in this list. Link is the only character who is hardcountered and has a hardcounter. 1 in the official SSBMRank or MPGR rankings. It also has excellent range, so it is very good for spacing out opponents. The matchup chart was based around both the opinions of professional players of each character, as well as our own experience through playing Marth. 13.0.1 Patch Notes and Balance Changes. The spike will not help you as often. Ice Climbers, +15 10. The matchup chart was based around both the opinions of professional players of each character, as well as our own experience through playing Marth. My motivation for creating and updating this site is to give players wanting to learn A list of useful guides and resources from various members of the SSBM community; Archived post. and our Captain Falcon, +29 7. Falco, +41 4. Everybody except Fox and Falco are countered by atleast one character. http://www.twitch.tv/zainssbmEditor: https://twitter.com/ssbskraiFollow Zain:http://www.twitter.com/zainnaghmihttp://www.Instagram. Catch Zain live on Twitch! Look to KO your opponent with this combo at high percents. You're going to get more percentages every match and earlier KOs almost every match with the better dhtrow. He said that iBDW has really revamped the Fox/Marth matchup. Although he beat aMSa twice at the start of the year, aMSa beat Zain three straight times to end the year. I started to write notes and descriptions to serve as my own personal 'Marth reference guide'. Additionally, Zain said he wants to add a few new wrinkles to his playstyle. This smash attack also has a great launch distance. Marth-Fox 50-50 (I know a lot of people think Marth wins but I can't let go of the opinion that this is even). 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